Episode 7, Nonbelief at the Holidays

Nonbelievers celebrate the holiday, too.  Well, some of them do.

Secular Hub board member Chauncey Williams leads a discussion with several other members about the meaning of the holiday season in their lives.  What follows is a friendly and lively discussion filled with laughter.  Covered are stories of Christmases past, thoughts on what the holidays mean to nonbelievers, and how we celebrate (if we even choose to celebrate at all).

Warning: this episode features nostalgia, good feelings, and unabashed joy.  A fair bit of cynicism, too, just to keep things balanced.

Mandatory Christmas Viewing discussed in this episode:

A Christmas Story

It’s a Wonderful Life

Non Christmas themed episodes of Futurama, Valentine’s Day episode and Independence Day episode.  Good stuff

 

Freedom, Freedom, Freedom, Oy
The humble kaboodle. A tackle box for lip gloss

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Music: A Himitsu – Adventures

Host: Chauncey Williams

Featuring: Ruth Mcleod, Kim Saviano, Joe Hickman, Jesse Gilbertson

Episode 6 – Denver People’s Fair

Community, Volunteerism, Outreach

The People’s Fair is a 45 Year tradition in Denver, Colorado that welcomes in the summer with an enormous festival of entertainers, artists, and volunteers in a celebration of community.  According to the official website of the People’s Fair, it is

Denver’s oldest neighborhood festival and famous for bringing together a diverse population to celebrate community and enjoy the start to the summer. This Civic Center Park tradition welcomes community groups, artists, and entertainment from every corner of Denver.  The uniqueness and magic of the People’s Fair is created by the blending of great family fun, carefully selected handmade arts & crafts, delicious culinary delights, fabulous entertainment and the commitment to raise funds for and promote the missions of non-profit organizations.

As part of volunteerism and community outreach the Secular Hub’s many hardworking volunteers were present to make a good impression on believers and to let everyone else know that a thriving free thought community exists right here in Denver.  Enjoy this exploration of community in culture with The Secular HubCast!

Learn more about Denver and the People’s Fair:

Civic Center Park

The official website for the People’s Fair

Learn more about the guests who spoke with the HubCast:

One Colorado is fighting to protect the people of Colorado from bad science

Learn more about the practice of public banking.  As a model for other economies, consider North Dakota’s public bank

Ellen Brown writes on the subject of public banking

A bunch of volunteers from the Hub took a break to have a giant sword battle.  It was super fun

Can Denver ComicCon promote education?  Learn about those efforts here

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Music: A Himitsu – Adventures

Host: Mike Baumeester

Episode 5 – Secular Sisterhood

The cliche that atheists are a bunch of white men has persisted so long because many atheist groups tend to be dominated by them.

Where do freethinking women go for their community?  The Secular Hub is proud of our Secular Sisterhood, a group founded by women to provide a safe place for community, sharing, and support.

In this episode Ruth and Katie discuss what the Secular Sisterhood does, its mission, and what it means to its members.  What was the impetus for forming it in the first place, why was it even needed?

Also discussed in this episode;  the frenzy of sexual assault allegations, denials, and confessions that has dominated the media landscape touches the lives of secular people, too.  Katie and Ruth have a direct and candid discussion on this, and Jesse even gets in on the action to ask a few naive questions.

This is a serious conversation, so strong language and mature conversation occur.  Listen at your own risk.

Learn more about and communicate with the Secular Sisterhood:

Attend an event on Meetup

Reach out of Facebook

Learn more about the topics that helped influence this conversation:

Non-binary gendered individuals

Evolve Fish supports Secular Sisterhood

Axe throwing is the new thing to do.  Here and here’s where we do it in Denver

Women are not nags.  Believe it

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Music: A Himitsu – Adventures

Host: Ruth McLeod

Guests: Katie Wolfis, Jesse Gilbertson

Correction: At the time of posting this episode the Meetup page for Secular Sisterhood has 289 members

4 – March for Science Denver

On the 22nd of April, 2017 legions of people around the world marched, taught, and learned together in the name of science, reason, and free speech.  Many thousands participated in Denver, including a delegation from the Secular Hub.  The HubCast was on hand to capture the energy of this historic event. Jesse Gilbertson and Mike Bouwmeester discuss Mike’s background and his work with the HubCast.  Mike interviews several activists at the march and at the teach-ins, including one of the event’s main organizers.

As this episode was recorded on site at Denver’s beautiful Civic Center Park the noise and energy of the event can be heard in the background, and that energy and enthusiasm can be heard in the diverse voices of those participating in this episode.

 

Recorded April 22, 2017.

 

Learn more about the guests in this episode:

Colorado Children’s Immunization Project

Jefferson Humanists

Sierra Club and learn about the initiative to get Denver 100% carbon free by 2030

The Academy GO WILDCATS!

March For Science Denver  or visit the national organization March for Science

 

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Music: A Himitsu – Adventures

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Videographer: Jesse Gilbertson

3 – Andrew Curtis Forlines – Secular Comedy Home School

This week we speak with Secular Hub member Andrew Curtis Forlines.  Currently a chef and comedian in the Denver area, Andrew speaks about what it was like to grow up home schooled, never visiting or attending any organized school.  What type of religious thinking can create a situation where children don’t have a basic right to an education, and what are some of the consequences?
Andrew and Jesse also discuss the comedy scene, accidentally getting a contact high at work, making scientists better communicators and bringing people together.  In addition to being a member of the Secular Hub Andrew also volunteers at the Hub by organizing and running events such as Secular Night Live, cooking for events like pancake breakfasts, and running Dinner and a Documentary night, as well as other events.  He’s kind of a working machine.
Find Andrew Curtis Forlines at or reach out to him via
Email:  HysterialAF@gmail.com
Host: Jesse Gilbertson
Guests: Andrew Curtis Forlines
The views and opinions expressed are those of their respective authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Secular Hub.
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Music: A Himitsu – Adventures (unedited, used under Creative Commons License)
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2 – A Discussion with Melissa Huff & Dr. Caleb Lack of the Secular Therapist Project

Jesse Gilbertson welcomes Melissa Huff to the HubCast. They discuss her background, values, interests, and hopes regarding the Secular Hub and the larger secular movement. Melissa mentions activist and science advocate AronRa’s 2016 visit to the Secular Hub, her involvement in the Secular Sisterhood and her career goals.
Later, Melissa interviews Dr. Caleb Lack. Dr. Lack is a clinical psychologist, professor, author, skeptic and activist. Currently, he is the Director of the Secular Therapist Project which aims to bring together non-religious persons seeking mental health treatment with secular, evidence-based providers. Melissa and Dr. Lack discuss mental health and the Secular Therapist Project.
More information about this episode:
Dr. Caleb Lack: www.caleblack.com
Secular Therapy Project: https://www.seculartherapy.org/
Host(s): Jesse Gilbertson, Melissa Huff
Guests: Melissa Huff, Caleb Lack
The views and opinions expressed are those of their respective authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Secular Hub.
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Music: A Himitsu – Adventures (unedited, used under Creative Commons License)
Logo Design: Terry Kirkham
Editor: Mike Bouwmeester

1 The Secular HubCast

Hello World! What is the Secular Hub, and who cares? Find out in this debut of the Secular HubCast.
Host(s): Jesse Gilbertson
Guests: Chauncey Williams, Ruth McLeod
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Music: A Himitsu – Adventures (unedited, used under Creative Commons License)
Logo Design: Terry Kirkham
Editor: Mike Bouwmeester

Lost Without Heathens

Like so many people, I have felt quite lost as of late. It has been very difficult to meet new people, find a date, discuss current events and generally have a good time in the company of like-minded people. This write-up is my attempt to reach anyone feeling the same way and to let you know that there is a welcoming group at the Secular Hub.

Like so many people, I have felt quite lost as of late. It has been very difficult to meet new people, find a date, discuss current events and generally have a good time in the company of like-minded people. This write-up is my attempt to reach anyone feeling the same way and to let you know that there is a welcoming group at the Secular Hub.

Golden Gate Canyon Hiking Trip

Starting off my journey, I became distressed, stuck behind a dump truck on the two lane highway that leads to the trailhead. Thus, I was 15 minutes late to the outing. After making a few frantic phone calls and purchasing a day pass, I embarked on my trip hoping to find my heathen friends somewhere along the trail. Once out on the trail I came across a bridge that stretched over a waterless creek. The water had recently dried up and evidence of its flow spread out from its now barely perceivable banks. I was struck by the beauty and variety of the flora present there and as I paused for a moment to snap a picture an interesting realization came to my mind. At that moment it occurred to me that all these colors and varieties are quite recent. A mere 530 million years ago the only vegetation on land resembled moss. This tiny fraction of time, 11.8% of the total age of the universe to be exact, in our Earth’s history represents the entirety of the flora diversity we see on land today. I once heard that the first flower to bloom on land was an orchid. I cannot be sure of this, I could look it up, but it doesn’t really matter; from those lowly beginnings all the beauty, diversity and grandeur we see here, a full mile plus above sea level has persevered. How amazing life was, is and likely will become. It’s hard to imagine that only 530 million years ago nothing like these flowers existed. So here I am walking on a single track path at 9:30 a.m. completely surrounded by flowers that somehow survived the ages and climbed the mountains to greet me today. As I look further down the path I reckon I’ll turn upward to climb the hillside, amongst the trees, to see if the heathens are in the Frazer meadow shown on the map.

As I mingle betwixt the tall, lanky trees I am reminded of my favorite ‘reason’ for god’s existence given to me as a child. I remember asking many adults why they thought there was a god; most of them would reply, “How else do you explain how every leaf of every tree is completely unique?” or something to that effect. This answer always perplexed me for many obvious reasons, but now as an adult it suggests something inhumane. It suggests that without god there is no way for us to justify our experience of wonder, awe or transcendence. Never mind that to invoke god as the justification of all that is wondrous says absolutely nothing about how we know that every leaf is unique (only observing the evidence provides such justification), it also completely misses the point. Our sense of wonder, awe and transcendence is completely dependent on evidence, not some gift from the celestial overlord. That transcendent feeling didn’t exist in human beings until we started comparing leaves to determine that they were all different. Thus the explanation of our feeling of transcendence, awe and wonder comes only after we evaluate the facts and evidence and are able to make an awe inspiring conclusion. Imagine being the first person to realize that every leaf was completely unique. Thinking of it now; I’m floored. Only after such a concept forms in our brains do some feel the need, and for no good reason whatsoever, to refer it upwards to the heavens and give god ‘his’ unjust due. But not all of us.

To those of you that worry about losing your sense of awe and wonder once the burden of faith is shed; you can all rest your minds. There is nothing that will stop you from feeling this way.

Especially with all the new discoveries we are making in the modern world. I dare you to look at a Hubble galaxy scape and not feel completely lost in your thoughts of amazement. Just imagining all the variety of life that could exist in any small section of M82, Andromeda or the Sombrero Galaxy could keep you awe struck for hours on end. Jesus’s assent into heaven like superman into the sky pales in comparison. As do the accounts of the different levels of heaven and hell and even the infinite ‘nature’ of the so called creator. This critique goes for all the other non-specific entities that humans have either been indoctrinated to believe or been convinced of under their own efforts. The answer to the question, “Do non-believers feel the same sense of wonder and transcendence?” is a resounding yes! All humans do no matter what their belief or lack thereof. The only difference is that the rational amongst us can often explain it, too. Much more so than the incoherent babble offered by conspiracy theorists, spiritualists, and some believers. After all, those of us that believe in the evidential, demonstrable, reproducible and verifiable have a more complete understanding of the wonder that surrounds us every day. We don’t say, “Isn’t it amazing what God has given us?” That says virtually nothing about the grandeur of these flowers or these trees I see here before me. We marvel at the deep-time understanding of how they came to live in these hills, we feel awe at their perseverance and clever cheating of the inevitable death that awaits all life on Earth. We feel kinship, gratitude and mourn the lost lives of the past and every species that didn’t make it; having succumbed to our inevitable extinction. To think that skeptics, secular humanists and atheists don’t feel awe and wonder, have a sense of the transcendence, or feel like they are a part of something vastly greater than themselves is to be dead wrong. Perhaps we feel it even more so and perhaps we see more acutely that there is a need to get up, off our knees and do something about it. Suddenly, out of breath from mulling over my thoughts and walking like a mad man, my train of thought is broken as I reach Frazer meadow.

In the distance ahead I see a large group of people conversing and resting amongst the flowers and trees. Victory! I recognize some of them from the Seth Andrew’s presentation just last weekend. Chauncey, the heathen best known to me, is nowhere to be found, but I know he is likely lounging somewhere. As I approach with a smile I’m reminded of one of the benefits of my gender through a smart ass comment flung my way shrouded in wit from one of the heathens. “Looks like you forgot your shirt!” She said with mild annoyance. Probably wishing she could take the same liberties. After putting my shirt back on bashfully, I retorted with my own personal nudity policy which allows for all to bare their chests. After all, there is nothing to hide of the human form as far as I can tell. Anyway, after some back and forth and a few smiles, we set off together, about 15 of us, to locate the rest of the group. I was both happy and sad in the next moment. As we turned a corner I saw my friend Chauncey standing next to a tree. Finally, I could shake his hand and let him know that I was sorry I had missed the meeting time. I did, we smiled and then he let me know that they were about to head back and that their cars were not in the same direction as mine. Bummed I shook his hand and then turned back down the trail; heading back to my car. From beginning to end this was a great day. I’m still not as active in their group as I’d like to be, but I’m starting to feel like I’m making progress.

To those looking for a sense of community such as myself, this is a great resource for you: if you can only be on time. As I find myself trekking through the woods, I wonder, how I will bridge this gap between where I am now and where I’d like to be in the near future. I see myself conversing with like-minded people about the intricacies of our daily experiences. I hope to add great value to the lives of these new friends and I hope to feel connected to them. I can tell that this won’t be easy. It seems that transitions like this, going from a known group of friends to a new group of friends, never is. First off there are time and money constraints. It’s very difficult for anyone to change their routines and take on new personalities and energies. It’s not like when we were younger and everyone was looking for their next best friend, ally, roommate or lover. These are people that live here, work here, raise their families here and already have networks of people to rely upon and confide in. To them I am just another interested party: potentially a fly-by-night and potentially a mainstay. Too early to tell. So it’s up to me to put in the work and effort and see if I can get somewhere. I encourage anyone reading this that is looking for new friends to keep trying. Don’t give up after the first few attempts fail to yield your new bestie. Keep showing up, on time, and keep offering your hand in friendship. I’ll shake it.

Hiking Prep List (for those that need such a thing):

  1. Water and snacks
  2. Check that I am wearing clothing that is appropriate for hiking:
    • No cotton: polyester, wool or silk only
    • Rain gear
    • Good shoes or boots
  3. Map and Compass

Paul S. is a real estate investor in the Denver area. He also rehabilitates shelter dogs and places them into forever homes. Paul moved to Denver in 1999 and has lived all over the state.

Edited by Chauncey